If something comes up that needs saying, I reserve the right to mention it in a random interlude.
The Supreme Court correctly ruled on the DC gun ban, calling it unconstitutional based on the text of the 2nd Amendment. The majority decided that the historical narrative both preceding and following the amendment indicated the founders did not intend guns to be regulated.
Writing dissents were both John Paul Stevens and Stephen Breyer.
Stevens said the majority: would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons.
and Breyer: In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas.
Stevens is flat out and disturbingly wrong. He assumes that the framers of the Constitution wanted the ability to regulate every little bit of people’s lives. They didn’t. They had just come from a government where the monarch regulated every little bit of the people’s lives. They wanted the people to be in control of the government, not vice versa. They created 10 guarantees of people’s rights that the government could never and should never be taken away. This bastardized, bloated government that we’ve turned in to isn’t what they wanted. I believe they’d be horrified if they knew we were talking about socializing health care. Clinton’s appointees forget that. It is completely and totally outlined in Stevens’s quote. They didn’t want the state to regulate people’s access to weapons because they realized that law-abiding people don’t just go out and kill people when they feel like it.
Breyer, on the other hand, presumes there is no untouchable constitutional right to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden, urban areas. Why? What is hard to understand about the line: the right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. What’s the gotcha in that line? And why single out urban areas? Isn’t urban areas where you most need people to be able to protect themselves? Are people in inner cities going to somehow not be able to get illegal guns? Could this be a gentle form of liberal “we know better” racism? I’m going to go ahead and say yes.
Of the three justices who voted with the minority, two were appointed by Bill Clinton, one by Gerald Ford, and one by George HW Bush. Of the majority, two were appointed by George W Bush, two by Ronald Reagan’s handlers, and one by Bush 1. With Gerald Ford’s appointee approaching 90 (and there should be an age limit on justices), I think that the new president will quickly have a Supreme Court appointee. For everything bad you can say about the Republicans (a lot, I admit), their Justices do still stick to the Republican ideal of small government and stricter interpretation of the Constitution. I like that. Obama would appoint a person who would have voted with the minority in this case. I don’t like that. Democratic nominees have a tendency to increase the function of government and erode property rights. Republican nominees tend to do the opposite.
And, elected officials do have the tools to regulate civilian uses of weapons: they’re called murder laws.
Point: McCain (1-1 McCain).
Who will be the next U.S. President?
Total Voters: 60
Interestingly enough, based on what McCain’s said publicly, his justices would overturn Roe v. Wade, a decision that I believe you just posted you agree with.
“What’s the gotcha in that line?”
You mean the gotcha in THIS line?
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Wow… I totally see two! How about you? Man, you know it sure is underhanded when statements go off and get back in context and then totally make people look like fools. Damn those selectively edited statements and their tendency to return to the original full sentences from which they were gleaned!
I just always find it a little funny when people choose to pull a small part out the text of that amendment and use that to bolster an argument that it simply MUST mean you should be able to sleep with a gun under your pillow.
So what militia are you in? What threat to the freedom of this sovereign state are you defending? Oh, wait, you say you just want the gun cause some inner city youth might try to steal your flat screen TV. Ah… now that’s the sort of freedom the framers fought for!
“And, elected officials do have the tools to regulate civilian uses of weapons: they’re called murder laws.”
That made me laugh. You sir are a comedian of the ilk that is rarely seen in this day and age. I’ll pass that bit of brilliance on to the families of school shooting victims, ever increasing as they may be.
You sound a bit like a Michael Savage fan.
Read Tom’s earlier posts; he’s far from a Michael Savage fan.
Plus, while I don’t like guns, I do like that I have the right to own one. I mean, let’s say all guns were illegal except for military and police. Who do you think wins here: a criminal robbing your house or the law-abiding citizen who has no gun — ’cause they’re illegal — who’s being robbed? Just saying.
Dave: this is more explained in my current post. The crux of my argument is that I don’t believe the Framers intended to create 9 amendments to protect people’s rights and 1 to ambiguously protect the state’s or maybe the people’s rights. If the amendment meant that only the militia should be allowed weapons, it would say “The right of the militia to keep and bear arms” or “their right to keep and bear arms”. It says “the right of the people to keep and bear arms”. We have no problem understanding what “the people” refers ANYPLACE else… why does the anti-gun crowd assume it means something different here? The people’s rights to bear arms should not be infringed so they can be ready to be the Militia at a moment’s notice. News for you, if this country were invaded, “the people” would quickly volunteer to be the Militia. Arguing that line means anything other than that is dishonest to the spirit of the rest of the Constitution and willful ignorance to what the definition of “Militia” was at the time. Sorry.
And, ask a rape victim or the victim how much she wished she had the means to defend herself. Anecdotal stories are meaningless and meant to stir passion on one side or the other. Something Michael Savage would do, actually.
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